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toadinthehole 6:50 Sun Nov 22
Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

We beat Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool with the same tactic and formation.

playing deep and hitting teams fast on the counter was reaping huge rewards.

Sakho as a lone striker was a key part, he kept defenders busy and ran the channels allowing Payet, Lanzini and Kouyate to roam the empty spaces.

Carroll slows everything down and destroys our fast pace attack. I just don't get why we have changed since he is back.

sidneyshitcunt 7:26 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

It is also baffling me...

Alex V 7:33 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

It isn't a good thing that we're looking disjointed with Carroll. But it doesn't say that much for the team if they can't adapt to different players with different strengths.

Successive managers clearly rate Carroll highly, and want him in the team. That counts for something with him.

SteveJacko 7:33 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

It's the same as Fat Sam did last season, look how that ended. On the bright side he'll be fucked in a few games time and out for 6 months. Impact sub is his best role.

Shitty performance, shit day, onwards and upwards, or downwards.

Chip Shop Charlie 7:34 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Carroll as impact sub but that's about it...

collyrob 7:35 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Alex v in going against the grain shocker

threesixty 7:39 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Rodgers didn't want him from the off. Didn't even bother trying.

camel-with-3-humps 7:40 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

He's not just slow, his whole game is poor.

Let's compare him to Peter Crouch.

Crouch v Carroll
Heading: Crouch cushions headers to players. Carroll just knocks it anywhere.

Passing: Crouch brings people into play intelligently. Carroll either loses it or just about lays it off.

Scoring: Pretty equal goal to game ratios here.

Running: Crouch creates space with intelligent movement. Carroll lumbers around with little effect.

Injuries: Let's not even go there.

Conclusion: Carroll is a poor man's Crouch.

CryBabies 7:53 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Exactly Toad.

When I mention how one player can upset a whole tactic some don't understand. If Carroll plays the opposition can press higher up the field and this in turn puts us under extra pressure. Play Sakho and not only can they not risk pushing up they have to watch his runs into the channels. Then in turn the attacking midfielder have more space forcing the opposition midfield back. It's not bloody rocket science. If Carroll starts the next game then surely he has it in his contract that when fit he must do.

cambsiron 8:02 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Yep it has disrupted totally trying to put him in the team. On the other hand we needn't worry about formations and tactics as pretty much everyone was dogshit today. You don't need tactics if you are second to every ball, can't keep the ball for more than 10 seconds, give them the ball in front of goal etc etc.

Anyone seeing our performance would expect the team to be relegated out of sight. Thankfully we won't be this season.

mongo 8:03 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

3 terrible games in a row. Needs dropping asap

claret on my shirt 8:06 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Love what we have done this season, but this stinks of last season, start AC and it fucks up everything. No pace so we can't get behind them, the opposition then pushes up on us meaning are skill players have no room and are closed down easily. AC just has to go

Nicey 8:08 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

SHOP WINDOW

Thanks BFS

Thanks Curtis

Alex V 8:09 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Agree with cambsiron that we can say that our play going forward hasn't been so slick with Carroll, but we let in 4 goals today. There's only so much blame you can give Carroll for that.

It's also tempting to create a narrative where the team was perfect before Carroll started playing, but for poor performances against Bournemouth, Leicester, Norwich, Sunderland Carroll didn't start. And a couple of the away wins were really odd matches that were partly freak results, we have to admit. It's much more complicated than Carroll vs Sakho.

We have to accept the possibility that Bilic may feel that our long-term chances are better with Carroll up front rather than Sakho. Just as Allardyce did. I'm not sure I agree with either of them, but I can understand why they think it.

ILOVEPAOLODICANIO 8:13 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Sakho was going to be off.

Its OK we were due to get smoked on the road.



We will be much better off vs WBA with Song starting and Noble out.


Time to get back to winning and home and scrapping for results on the road.

DJH 8:13 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Far too simplistic to blame Carroll if comparing those games to today, the big difference in those games was Payet who times could destroy those sides and no one else we have comes close in being able to do that, so let's not underestimate what a loss he will be Carroll or no Carroll in the side.

Carroll may change the dynamics but he can still offer a threat if utilised especially against a Spurs side who struggle with crosses but far too often we overplayed and were crowded out without putting a decent ball in the box.

No matter who we had played up front today I doubt it would have seen little change in the result with the way we defended which was akin to the way we did against Bournemouth and Leicester at home.

ornchurch ammer 8:14 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Today was the first time that Carroll has started when Sakho has been available so let's not jerk that knee too high. Maybe he thought that by bringing Sakho in for Payet that there may have been a chance of getting Sakho in alongside him at times.

Agree though that we look a better team with Sakho through the middle as his pace and movement is more to our advantage than having Carroll up there.

Alex V 8:17 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

I'm definitely not a fan of Sakho on the wing. Didn't work last season, didn't work today. I think it's a poor solution.

Texas Iron 8:20 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Hopefully Sullivan will Grill Bilic on The CArroll Situation...

He sacrificed a more defensive option in MF for the Northern Pussy Striker...]]

Weakened MF...Exposed Defence to non stop p

ressure...Nullified Sakho down the middle...

Bilic 100% to blame...Piss Poor Tactics from the off..p

Sven Roeder 8:24 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

If the bench indicates availability (ie no Obiang) I would have played Oxford instead of Carroll and put Sahko in his proper position.

I don't know how to break this to people but Carroll is finished as a top level footballer. It's a matter of whether we get a silly offer from some desperate Northerners in January or keep him to fill in and move him on in the summer when we can look at a replacement.

Baggins 8:26 Sun Nov 22
Re: Why have we abandoned a successful formation and tactic to accommodate Carroll?

Carroll cannot play as a lone striker. He either plays in a front two or as a super sub.

He just isnt effective in the lone striker role and never will be.

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